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recently sold my impreza and despite being what i think was quite upfront about the fact that it wasn't a show/concourse car, and included the caveat 'sold as is, no warranty implied or given' i've been constantly plagued by the buyer. texts or emails, phone calls practically everyday since he picked up the car.

now got a sh1tty email

I hope all is well at your end.
I'm writing because sadly I've been having a few issues with the car. It is a great looking car and I am
mostly happy with it but there are some things which are not right with it...

I must point out that I do understand that in is a second hand car with 120k+ on the clock but there are certain things which appear to be historic issues which I should have been told about when I queried you about the various aspects (and some of the issues, specifically) of the car, prior to buying it.
Some issues are aesthetic, some electrical and some mechanical...so in order to get to the bottom of it, I have booked in the car with a well-known Subaru specialist who will advise me on the cost of getting things up to scratch, or at least to the standard pointed out in your advert, emails and texts to me as well as in the conversations we had upon viewing the car and subsequently collecting it.

Once I get the diagnoses I will contact you and hopefully we can amicably come to some arrangement whereby the costs can be, if not met by yourself, then at the very least, shared. I think this would be an easy way to resolve this so as to keep it all simple and friendly:) I hope you agree with me on this...

In the interim, I am happy to send you a list of the issues so if you like you can help point us in the right direction to repairing or resolving them.

Do let me know your thoughts.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Thanks!

at first i was happy to answer a few questions - it's a 'new to him' car and all, but then he asked for money back, puuting it down to the fact that he hadn't seen some scratches etc when he came to view the car, basically implying that i've been underhand in not telling him about EVERY tiny flaw in the car...

(he came to see it in the dark and in the rain)

i'm torn between telling him to eff off, and actually responding. thing is, since i responded to the first call it's got to the point now where he thinks its ok if he calls over the tiniest thing. :?

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There is nothing for you to discuss, I would politely ask him not to make contact as you now consider it harassment :D

He won't have a leg to stand on in legal terms. He viewed and bought a 10yr old modified performance car, that's been to the moon and back in the dark and he's complaining its not perfect :lol: we need a new Smiley for that :lol:

well this is my argument aswell! :lol:

am dumbfounded at peoples cheek! he actually phoned me and asked for money back since i'd 'not disclosed' all imperfections!??!?!

i'm of the opinion that when you go to view a car its your responsibility to find all faults so you go into the purchase fully informed.

even if it blows up up the way home you still have no comeback!

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You know the routine here Scott; there's no place for being Mr Nice Guy. The guy needs to be politely but firmly told to get fucked.

Any car taken to a workshop will come back with a ream of repairs that are "required" - is he really looking for you to fund this?

As has been said, the thought of that standing up legally is utterly laughable.

Yep, the time for politeness has passed. Tell him to get tae fvck.

If you do however decide to give him some money, I demand that you also give me some money as I think it would be an easy way to resolve any dispute I am yet to make up.:)

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Not much I can add - he shouldn't have a leg to stand on, though if there's a major problem and you specifically stated that it was fine in that respect, then *that* could come back to bite you. I doubt you did; it would have to be very specific.

Whether to avoid replying or just to send him a short reply pointing to the 'sold as seen' wording is hard to decide - sounds like saying nothing may be better because he'll possibly treat any sort of reply as encouragement to harass you more.

What's his issues with it then ?

I used this when I sold me Jag but surely everyone knows the risks when buying a secondhand car from a private buyer.

http://www.whatcar.com/images/subscription/usedcarreceipt.pdf

Just ignore. Don't waste any effort in trying to reason with him.

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Mick,

he's saying that there are scratches and a crack in one of the rear lights, and a repsray job he didn't notice when he came to see it (in the dark and rain) :roll:

some other story about electrics failing (can only have been battery terminals not being tight :roll:)

basically just BS 'bits' - obs he's turned out to be a cluesless numpty that expected to buy a modified 10y/o car and for it to be *perfect*!!

used a similar receipt, sourced from the net - sold as is, stating mileage etc.

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Mark BT52 said...

Just ignore. Don't waste any effort in trying to reason with him.

This.

Some people are just fucking weird.

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Scott - he seems to make reference to various statements you've made in writing, via texts and so on. Make sure there are no smoking guns in there.......

Delphi said...

Mark BT52 said...

Just ignore. Don't waste any effort in trying to reason with him.

This.

Some people are just fucking weird.

Just to reiterate: this.

Although, it might be worth just running over what you said in the advert and in the texts/emails/etc. just to be sure you didn't say "it's never had a respray and the rear light isn't cracked" or similar. Although, to buy a car and not notice there's a crack in the tail light then complain about it suggests he should be asking Specsavers for his money back.

Updated January 31, 2013 at 10:39 AM

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thanks guys.

JL - he's blagging it - stuff he's picked up now is to be expected with a 2nd hand car. i've not lied to him or witheld information at any point. no smoking guns.

ta

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Then straight to fuck he should be instructed to venture :lol:

I didn't know you sold it Scott, a good Subaru ownership experience ?

JL said...

Then straight to fuck he should be instructed to venture :lol:

:lol:

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and from the beginning think what may be the end.

will do an EOT report mick.

overall yeah enjoyable. despite being an '03 multiple owners, (i was 11th!!! :lol:) only time it really 'let me down' was when the radiator developed a leak and left me by the side of the m-way in europe for few hours.

to be expected really given it was old and had done 120k miles.

only reason i've sold is ££ for petrol etc. need to do some commuting for work and personal life and despite it being bloody fast, and competent, it wasn't necc the most comfortable place to be (coilovers etc).

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JL said...

Then straight to fuck he should be instructed to venture :lol:

This.

This thread could well be the only recorded example, as far as I can remember, of complete unanimity of opinion on this forum... :D

He's bought it privately, second hand, having inspected it at night. The only thing you could possibly be pulled up on, as Jobbo and others have said, is if you expressly warranted that something had been done (e.g. mechanical works) or hasn't been done (e.g. respray) when that's inaccurate; if your description fitted the bill you're pretty bulletproof.

I've dealt with the odd 'second-hand car' case in the course of my practice, so if this escalates to legal proceedings or threat thereof, drop me a line; happy to help as needed.

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What everyone else has said.

I sold a mk1 Fiesta years ago for about £400. The buyer came to see it with his missus - they liked it - paid cash.

He called the next day to say that he'd had his father-in-law look at it as he is a Mechanic, and started to list off faults and how much they were going to cost to rectify.

He was told (politely) it was sold-as-seen, and it would probably be better to take his FIL with him to look at cars in the future. Didn't hear from him again.

Like fink's legal advice a lot. But then again, Jobbo's legal advice is of course, always spot on too.

but which one is better- they're only one way to find out

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