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Was a 59 plate which meant 485bhp model, but upgraded callipers (Nissan badged Brembos).

Did not like :(. REALLY wanted to, but it was another car that just didn't feel "special". Went okay, but the weight really sanitised the performance to the extent that the 400bhp 997 GT3 RS I went in earlier, actually felt faster (and sounded amazing with the sport button activated).

By comparison, the Nissan sounded like a washing machine and the shift change, although impressively fast made the same engine note change as a normal automatic :(.

At speed with all the buttons in R mode, it was also quite "nervy" when accelerating flat out through the gears (but we were accelerating around a fast sweeping bend at the time).

A real case of being disappointed by one of my ultimate "hero" cars (now scratched off my "want" list) :(.

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Try and get a go in Yu's to see if it's any better :D.

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In terms of feeling alive and responsive you can't get much better than a 997 GT3, it doesn't surprise the GTR feels more numb/muffled. Completely different cars.

Yu will be along shortly to tell you that you must have been doing something wrong. That or the MAF needed a bloody good clean.

Shame you didn't like it. Proper hero car for me too. Been in my fantasy garage since I saw/heard the first MK1. Love watching the videos of the standard ones right up to the AMS Alpha 12's drag racing UGR Gallardo's.

Some people don't like the sound of it, I know it's not a throaty V8 but IMO it sounds menacing, purposeful and stuff like that.

Still love it, hopefully one day I'll be in a position to drive one.

Mike Rainbird said...

At speed with all the buttons in R mode, it was also quite "nervy" when accelerating flat out through the gears (but we were accelerating around a fast sweeping bend at the time).

I would never use R on the suspension unless on track. On the road it's just completely unsuitable.
Usually use 'comfort', only change it to standard on the road if I'm really going for it.

I maintain that it is not a car that instantly grabs you. (I was very disappointed following my Silverstone demo day as people here may remember, also saying it didn't feel that fast).
But it is a car that gets under your skin over time like nothing else I have ever had. I just appreciate it more and more.

Updated November 20, 2012 at 11:37 AM

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exiges said...

In terms of feeling alive and responsive you can't get much better than a 997 GT3, it doesn't surprise the GTR feels more numb/muffled. Completely different cars.

This. A very unfair comparison! :lol:

I agree they sound crap as standard, hence my first mod was a Y-pipe followed by a full Akrapovic.

But the GT3 RS really would make any car feel anodyne straight after. Did you drive your Cossie straight after getting out of the GT3 RS? ;) (Although I'm sure it's not boring.)

In the dry, on roads you know well, driving it with VDC Off is great fun.

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Comparing ANYTHING to the Cossie is unfair, as the Cossie is set up exactly how I want it (as you'd expect after 10 years of ownership), which unfortunately makes most things feel anodyne. The fact that the Porsche didn't, is a compliment to the Porsche and highlights what I personally want from a car. Given the reviews, I "thought" that the GTR would offer "that" in spades :(. It's too remote and sadly way too heavy for me :(.

This is a REAL fecker, as an early GTR is something I could stretch to (and have recently been looking at), where the GT3 RS is something I currently can't for some years :(.

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Sounds to me like the GTR isn't even the type of car you want.

It's not trying to be a GT3 type car. That it is capable of humbling them around a track is incidental, not its purpose.

It's more a 911 Turbo equivalent that just happens to have a wider range of talent.

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Was it on proper tyres? Remote is one description I've never read about the GT-R, it has fantastically feelsome, direct steering. In fact one of the only cars I can think of that betters it (with PAS) is a 997 GT3/RS...

However it needs either Michelin Pilot Super Sports or the OEM Dunlops or Bridgies to give it that level of feel. Mark's disappointing drive at Silverstone was mainly due to the penny pinchers putting them all on P-Zeros which don't have stiff enough sidewalls.

Also, Mark is correct, Race is far too hard with the standard tyres on the road. And he is also right about the car being a grower; I had no intention to keep mine long term, but now can not contemplate life without one.

Updated November 20, 2012 at 12:02 PM

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Been in my dads mates GTR a couple of times. The only thing I didn't like was the engine/exhaust sound. It is a 6 pot after all but can't touch the sound a Porsche makes.

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I may have missed it - was this on road or track Lolbird?

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The GT3 was on the track and the GTR was on the A11 around the Snetterton area :).

Did a first gear launch with the GTR (not using the traction control, just nailing it from a standing start), that was the only thing that was impressive :lol:.

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Mike, can you confirm if it felt like that it was driving itself at any point?

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I messaged Mr Yu the other day as I had a bit of a play with a GTR on one of my local roads.

I say a bit of a play, I saw him floor it and so did I, at this point a magic elastic band attatched to the GTR dragged it round the corner and into the distance at a ridiculous rate. It was genuinely amazing to watch and it felt like I was only running on 2 cylinders watching it bugger off.

Now he/ she did get the jump on me but alas my rockets were not fitted that day.

Amazing but no want factor, would love a go in one though.

The R33 on the other hand is far nicer despite doing essentially the same job.

Dave!

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Marv said...

Mike, can you confirm if it felt like that it was driving itself at any point?

:lol: And you lose points for not saying it was a Playstation car.

In other news, mine is being gently massaged up to 700hp next week... 8)

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Marv said...

Mike, can you confirm if it felt like that it was driving itself at any point?

No it didn't, but there was no "joy" of le stick and le clutch. I have decided that I don't like DCT cars based on this experience.

I can see why Lamborghini have stuck with the automated manual gearboxes, as at least that gives a bit more drama to the whole gear changing process, which is sadly lacking in the GTR :(.

I don't understand the drive from manufacturers to engineer out things that give a sensation of speed and mechanical "connection". It deeply saddens me that Porsche seem to be thinking that they should also be walking down this path. Soon there will be no real driving cars - all we will be doing is pressing the throttle and pointing them in the direction we want them to go. Although this might suit an everyday car, it's not what a "fun" car is all about.

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Hmm, I'm beginning to agree with Mark about the fact you weren't looking for the GT-R to meet your expectations. It's "an instrument of speed", not some luddite retro-mobile.

DCT is by far the most efficient gearbox, both for helping with faking low emissions and in seamless gearchanges. I've sometimes found myself grabbing a gear mid-corner and chastising myself for doing it because I wouldn't have been able to do it without upsetting the car with a lesser gearbox; but then realised that if it didn't upset the car, why not do it if it made the exit quicker?

Handy hint, if you're not interested in going fast, then the GT-R is not for you. ;)

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David_Yu said...

because I wouldn't have been able to do it without upsetting the car with a lesser gearbox; but then realised that if it didn't upset the car, why not do it if it made the exit quicker?

Exactly, it's a tool that enhances the pleasure of driving IMO, you just have to learn to exploit the advantages.

Once you are used to exploiting it, you pretty quickly get frustrated at manual clutches and view THEM as getting in the way of 'real' driving, due to the restrictions it places on you and the car.

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David_Yu said...

Hmm, I'm beginning to agree with Mark about the fact you weren't looking for the GT-R to meet your expectations. It's "an instrument of speed", not some luddite retro-mobile.

DCT is by far the most efficient gearbox, both for helping with faking low emissions and in seamless gearchanges. I've sometimes found myself grabbing a gear mid-corner and chastising myself for doing it because I wouldn't have been able to do it without upsetting the car with a lesser gearbox; but then realised that if it didn't upset the car, why not do it if it made the exit quicker?

Handy hint, if you're not interested in going fast, then the GT-R is not for you. ;)

That couldn't be further from the truth - I really wanted it to, as it would solve everything, by being the motoring Nirvana of "master of all trades". In modified format, it might be quick, but with only 485bhp and a hefty 1700+kg, it wasn't by comparison to what I'm used to.

I appreciate it is a technical marvel, but I couldn't justify spending £45k on the proviso that it "might" grow on me. If it didn't, then I'd be really pissed off, as it's not like they're easy to sell on as you found out when you wanted shot of yours ;).

As a great all-rounder, then I can see the appeal, but I don't want an all-rounder (the other cars meet that remit), I want an involving fun car that can do the track thing as well. The Escort is just a little too focused for regular road use.....

Unfortunately, I think this is going to end up needing to be a Porsche GT car of some description, so I need to start saving / liquidising my assets :lol:.

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Mike Rainbird said...

I appreciate it is a technical marvel, but I couldn't justify spending £45k on the proviso that it "might" grow on me. If it didn't, then I'd be really pissed off, as it's not like they're easy to sell on as you found out when you wanted shot of yours ;).

£45k you say.. well ..

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