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Posted on Monday, November 19, 2012 at 11:33 AM
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IsoSonic
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Thought you might be interested in Auto Express' end of term report on its Ampera. Click Gotta say, I really do like the sound of this car. Keep your experiences coming!
Updated November 19, 2012 at 3:06 PM
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Posted on Monday, November 19, 2012 at 11:47 AM
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pilouil
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Interesting - but as I always suspected most (if not all) of the economy benefits are due to favourable taxes (electricity not overtaxed as petrol, congestion charge, BIK...).
So while in the short term it's undoubtly cost efficient, in the long term taxes adjustments have to be feared (if all cars were electrical, the govts would still need the resources currently provided by taxes on petrol cars - and they'd most probably get them from taxes on electric cars...)
Besides, a technology that needs massively unfair tax distortion to be competitive does not impress me.
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Posted on Monday, November 19, 2012 at 1:54 PM
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Audio_Chris
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Making a compelling case for one to replace my Cooper D as my drive (20 miles) into London car. Might contact the management of the office to see if they have plans to install any electric car charging points....
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Posted on Monday, November 19, 2012 at 2:39 PM
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Marv
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GM/Vauxhall are onto a winner with the Ampera IMO. Wonder if they're selling well?
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Posted on Monday, November 19, 2012 at 3:32 PM
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exiges
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pilouil said... Interesting - but as I always suspected most (if not all) of the economy benefits are due to favourable taxes (electricity not overtaxed as petrol, congestion charge, BIK...)
From new, perhaps, but in a year or two when they're more commonplace they will make a fantastic used buy. The fuel saving would equate to free motoring IMO.
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Posted on Monday, November 19, 2012 at 4:17 PM
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ExiledChris
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Marv said... GM/Vauxhall are onto a winner with the Ampera IMO. Wonder if they're selling well?
Not in the US. All the mouth breathing republicans drone on and on about "Government Motors" and "Obama car" and so sales are crap. Bloody expensive to buy here - about $5k less than my 429bhp V8 luxo-barge, so it's only the Prius crowd who buy them. Plus I live in a tower block so have no way to recharge it. Audio Chris, are they selling the Prius pulg-in in the UK? It might have enough range to make it to the office on electricity, and I doubt you'll go over 100kmh (top speed on electricity)
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Posted on Monday, November 19, 2012 at 4:25 PM
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Eric Pisch
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pilouil said... Interesting - but as I always suspected most (if not all) of the economy benefits are due to favourable taxes (electricity not overtaxed as petrol, congestion charge, BIK...).
So while in the short term it's undoubtly cost efficient, in the long term taxes adjustments have to be feared (if all cars were electrical, the govts would still need the resources currently provided by taxes on petrol cars - and they'd most probably get them from taxes on electric cars...)
Besides, a technology that needs massively unfair tax distortion to be competitive does not impress me.
which is why they want road pricing, they cant tax electricity like they can fuel so they will charge per mile regardless of fuel used
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Posted on Monday, November 19, 2012 at 4:26 PM
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pilouil
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ExiledChris said...
Not in the US.
In the US petrol is not overtaxed as in Europe (AFAIK it only supports VAT in the US, whereas in Europe taxes account for about two thirds of the price) so the economics are far less easy for electric cars I guess.
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