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Posted on Friday, November 16, 2012 at 3:42 PM
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Focus69
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They really are a special bunch.
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Posted on Friday, November 16, 2012 at 4:26 PM
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Mike RT4
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If you've ever driven the 911 Turbo, then you'd know that what he was saying was true - the 996s are very "boaty" (excuse the pun  ), so I can see where he is coming from. It's the same with the E46 M3 compared to the E92 M3 - the E46 is not as fast, but it is more driver orientated (IMO). The E92 seems to WANT to sit at 100mph everywhere and I can easily get away with cruising at much higher speeds without she who must be obeyed noticing (because it doesn't FEEL fast, despite the speedo saying otherwise). IMO, this is BAD, as you have to be doing much higher speeds to have fun. I'd rather drive the Cossie (for short journeys), as it's much more a sense of occasion. Obviously for long journeys with all the family in tow, then the M3 is the far superior car, but just not as much of an adventure - and I suspect is what Dan was trying to get across  .
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Posted on Friday, November 16, 2012 at 4:28 PM
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Mito Man
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So we want cars with no sound insulation?
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Posted on Friday, November 16, 2012 at 4:33 PM
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Eric Pisch
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first rule of being a man, more power = better
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Posted on Friday, November 16, 2012 at 4:38 PM
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Someone needs to tell Pistonheads that Clarkson covered deliberate nonsense controversial automotive journalism over 15 years ago.
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Posted on Friday, November 16, 2012 at 4:43 PM
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Brian_the_Snail
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Eric Pisch said... first rule of being a man, more power = better
Agreed!  B_T_S
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Posted on Friday, November 16, 2012 at 4:51 PM
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Mike RT4
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Mito Man said... So we want cars with no sound insulation?
My car has more sound deadening than a standard car  . However, this is still insufficient to drown out the noise of the straight cut gearbox  . I hated the 996 Turbo I drove (even with full Manthay racing KW suspension and 520bhp), so God knows what a standard car must be like . However, I loved the completely bog standard 997 GT3 RS. I prefer my "fun" cars to be a bit more focused than an every day car. Unsurprisingly, it is horses for courses .
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Posted on Friday, November 16, 2012 at 4:52 PM
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Mike RT4
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Eric Pisch said... first rule of being a man, more power = better
Not if that power comes with more weight, so the power to weight ratio has hardly improved .
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Posted on Friday, November 16, 2012 at 5:26 PM
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RobYob
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996T was certainly one of the most impressive ways to go very fast very easily. Impressive does not equal fun though. They're designed for rock solid stability on the autobahn not for B-road entertainment.
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Posted on Friday, November 16, 2012 at 5:37 PM
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JustMax
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Mike Rainbird said... If you've ever driven the 911 Turbo, then you'd know that what he was saying was true - the 996s are very "boaty" (excuse the pun ), so I can see where he is coming from. It's the same with the E46 M3 compared to the E92 M3 - the E46 is not as fast, but it is more driver orientated (IMO). The E92 seems to WANT to sit at 100mph everywhere and I can easily get away with cruising at much higher speeds without she who must be obeyed noticing (because it doesn't FEEL fast, despite the speedo saying otherwise). IMO, this is BAD, as you have to be doing much higher speeds to have fun. I'd rather drive the Cossie (for short journeys), as it's much more a sense of occasion. Obviously for long journeys with all the family in tow, then the M3 is the far superior car, but just not as much of an adventure - and I suspect is what Dan was trying to get across .
This is exactly my experience. I loved my E92 but was it any more fun than my E46, no and sometimes less so. To be honest I had as much fun in my WRX. I've driven a 997 Turbo S a few times and it is insanely fast. You're already passing 150 when an average hot hatch is hitting 100 and the thing is still pulling like a train. Other than during hard acceleration it doesn't feel as fast as it's going though so it all becomes a bit pointless IMO. I've also driven a GT3 RS 3.8 and for a fun drive it beats the Turbo hands down. Drive any distance on boring roads though and you'd rather be in the turbo as it is a very civilized place to be. A 911 Turbo Cab makes even less sense.
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Posted on Saturday, November 17, 2012 at 1:33 AM
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robinoz
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RobYob said... 996T was certainly one of the most impressive ways to go very fast very easily. Impressive does not equal fun though. They're designed for rock solid stability on the autobahn not for B-road entertainment.
Wouldn't say the guys giving it some beans on the Lobethal road at Ashton that day thought that 
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Posted on Saturday, November 17, 2012 at 3:57 AM
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Eric Pisch
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Mike Rainbird said... Eric Pisch said... first rule of being a man, more power = better
Not if that power comes with more weight, so the power to weight ratio has hardly improved .
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Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2012 at 7:50 PM
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RobYob
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robinoz said... RobYob said... 996T was certainly one of the most impressive ways to go very fast very easily. Impressive does not equal fun though. They're designed for rock solid stability on the autobahn not for B-road entertainment.
Wouldn't say the guys giving it some beans on the Lobethal road at Ashton that day thought that
I'm sure they were quite bored really.
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