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SALOON CARS - WHAT'S THE POINT?
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Can someone explain to me why the likes of Audi and BMW still produce primarily saloon cars, when the likes of Renault were doing an equivalent in the 1990s with a hatch back with the Laguna, and so far more practicality, and a rear window wiper?

I know they're bringing out a 3series hatchback soon, but what's with the appeal of the saloon car?

I've been looking at dull 5 door repmobiles, and find myself drawn to the Avants/Tourings (but I don't need another estate car), or just dropping back to a Golf to get the practicality of a hatch back.

What gives? I don't get it.

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My Dad always had hatches or twice estates.

As a result I have mostly had hatches or estates or the odd coupe.

Out of 36ish cars I have only had 4 (I think) saloons, maybe 5.

tbh the boot in my Accord Type S was massive and I managed to get 2 dining room chairs in. They are also supposed to be structural more rigid so I assume safer?

Hatchbacks always seemed a bit photocopier-salesman. They were the mass market Sierras, Cavaliers etc; saloons look better, have a bit more rigidity and have secure boots for keeping your stuff in.

So it's a security thing?

They make no sense at all in a secondhand family car market.

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By extension you could argue "what's the point of a coupe version of a car".

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I could, and would :D

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Saloons are quieter, stiffer and look better most of the time for me.

Dave!

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I think maybe I'm frustrated because I want to actually use the car, but don't want to sell my soul and buy a horrible dull box :(

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Knackered old hairdresser's sh1tter

The US market is massive and they love sedans! Think I read somewhere that they believed them to be safer than hatchbacks even though that is often not the case.

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Where do you guys get this stuff? Never have I heard someone here say that sedans were safer than hatchbacks. The US, for various reasons, isn't very fond of wagons (estates to youse guys) and hatchbacks. The former come across as neutered old-timers, the latter as flakey youthful types. As has been long known, when urban dwellers here want cargo capacity and a false sense of safety we go with some form of SUV, while the rural types go with pick-up trucks.

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Boxster S:+ Still an impeccable Sports car. - Very little.

Current car and first ever car (mk2 Escort) are the only two saloons I've owned. Hatches / fast estates are way more practical.

RS4 avant > RS4 Saloon. Even the market confirms it :shock:

Maybe we should all just drive mpvs. Same footprint as a normal family car but so much more practical. You can carry 7 people, plus luggage, or remove the seats and turn them into vans. How awesome is that!

Back in the real world, I'm quite pleased there are manufacturers sticking to the saloon format, for a while it looked like everything was going to morph into hideous mpv/ hatch crosses ( pug 307, old civic, seat leon / altea etc.

I like the side profile of my saloon, I like that it feels stiff, isn't open or boomy like large hatches or estates, and that all the random crap I keep in the boot is separated from me by sheets of steel and not a piece of cardboard.

Admittedly there are very occasional issues with not being able to carry certain loads, but that's why the mrs has a nice practical little shopping hatchback. The once a year we might need something bigger we hire a van.

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Harry

Too many old sheds.

integrale_evo said...

Maybe we should all just drive mpvs. Same footprint as a normal family car but so much more practical. You can carry 7 people, plus luggage, or remove the seats and turn them into vans. How awesome is that!

You joke, but the more I think about it in an abstract, what-size-should-cars-actually-be-for-humans type of a way, the more I come back to thinking that an MPV actually is the correct size.

GraniteV8 said...

Saloons are quieter, stiffer and look better most of the time for me.

Dave!

+1.

Notable exceptions are the Focus and Fabia saloons.

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DeskJockey said...

Notable exceptions are the Focus and Fabia saloons.

Don't forget the Polo.

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Google Clio saloon ( or possibly sedan ) :shock:

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cheers,

Harry

Too many old sheds.

integrale_evo said...

Maybe we should all just drive mpvs. Same footprint as a normal family car but so much more practical. You can carry 7 people, plus luggage, or remove the seats and turn them into vans. How awesome is that!

Back in the real world, I'm quite pleased there are manufacturers sticking to the saloon format, for a while it looked like everything was going to morph into hideous mpv/ hatch crosses ( pug 307, old civic, seat leon / altea etc.

I like the side profile of my saloon, I like that it feels stiff, isn't open or boomy like large hatches or estates, and that all the random crap I keep in the boot is separated from me by sheets of steel and not a piece of cardboard.

Admittedly there are very occasional issues with not being able to carry certain loads, but that's why the mrs has a nice practical little shopping hatchback. The once a year we might need something bigger we hire a van.

Surely it's actually separated from you by exactly the same thing as it is in almost every other car - the rear seats? :?

I've never understood the point of a saloon either, but then I grew up with hatchbacks. If saloons had never been invented and you were designing a new vehicle shape now, I doubt a saloon would ever make it off the paper.

Doesn't mean I wouldn't own one though.

The parcel shelf in the Focus is not made of steel.

The argument gets complicated though when you have a saloon with folding rear seats.

Dave!

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integrale_evo said...

Google Clio saloon ( or possibly sedan ) :shock:

There is also this:

:lol:

They're are used a lot in South America.

JL said...

integrale_evo said...

Maybe we should all just drive mpvs. Same footprint as a normal family car but so much more practical. You can carry 7 people, plus luggage, or remove the seats and turn them into vans. How awesome is that!

You joke, but the more I think about it in an abstract, what-size-should-cars-actually-be-for-humans type of a way, the more I come back to thinking that an MPV actually is the correct size.

You're getting old. Do any of your trousers have an elasticated waist?

Saloons look better. The only time I struggle with it is when I'm camping with my bike because I like to lock my bike in the car while I'm sleeping, which means washing the bike or a muddy interior. Which is why I'm looking for another pickup :lol:.

Updated November 14, 2012 at 12:08 PM

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